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Search Marketing world in review

March 22nd, 2007 by Jason Roe. Post is filed under Marketing, Technology.

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As you know, search marketing world was on yesterday in the Royal Hospital Kilmainham. I must admit, this was an amazing venue to pick for such an event. It had the old school nature of the 17th Century with a strange twist of Modern Art everywhere!

Enough about the venue how was the event? I had really high expectations with the line up of speakers. At the end of the conference I came out a bit let down. The event as a whole seemed to be directed heavily at marketing agencies and potential clients. I understand that this is normally the case in a lot of event of this nature, but at the price of the tickets (€300-500) I really expected something more informative.

The highlight for me was meeting up with some of the guys that are in the real SEO scene in Ireland. Most of them are mainly fresh and up-coming companies, not limited by the boundaries of traditional mediums or practices. I met up with Dave Davis from Redfly, Richard Hearne from Red Cardinal, Alastair McDermot from amdsoft and some of the guys from Infacta. Some truly great banter was going on during and after the event. Dave Davis had what I can only describe as a novel idea.. A drink for a link! So there ye go Dave.

So a quick review of each seminar that I attended…


Text Link Ads Search Engine Marketing: An Introduction

I only caught the tail end of this a due to me picking one of the longest routes to the venue in the world. Danny was basically describing the fundamentals of why SEO is required and basically why we have a demand for SEO.

Search Marketing Successes & Case Studies

This was a bit of a sales fest in my opinion. The one actual case study (the large hotel group) seemed to know more than the two “Professional� SEO speakers. On the other hand the hotel group was somewhat anal regarding the treatment of affiliates. They described how they went through 3 months of hard work with Google to protect the hotel group’s trademarks and brands from their own affiliates. They also encouraged other companies to invest time in doing this “as soon as possible�.

Maybe I missed something here, isn’t the idea of an affiliate scheme to help encourage sales via indirect methods. The group would have saved on advertising, on management fees and on overheads as a whole. Maybe someone was trying to keep themselves in a job? If your affiliates are outbidding you, so what! They are also outbidding your competitors and making the market more crowded in your space. This can only be beneficial as a whole. I know Dave had a very strong opinion about this because he dose a lot of affiliate sales, so I will let him do a follow up on this topic.


Search Engines Forum: - The Future of Search

We had some interesting tidbits from Yahoo regarding an image mash up service. This could possibly integrated with flicker to create a 3 dimensional landscape (not literally), where images can be uploaded and used as a tool to search for a particular information related to that photo. To dumb it down a bit.. I guess this would be like some kind of digital photo fingerprint! But I guess in this case it’s hooked into one massive database. PS: Note for the FBI , this may be the ultimate system for identifying faces, fingerprints and buildings! I would hate to think of the privacy implications of this.

Microsoft Adcenter let us know that they would be finally servicing the Irish / Euro market. Well done lads! .. I sent this request in 20 seconds after the live beta was launched! Nice to see you finally received the memo.

It seems that the future of search will revolve heavily around mobile devices. I think we have all been hearing this for the last 7 years so nothing new there. The solution was laid out fairly clearly. We need an ultimate mobile service to create a demand for the service. Think of it as the bebo, myspace or youtube of the mobile revolution. I mentioned all this before in previous comments on one of my posts. We all know the limiting factors of cost. What happens when demand overcomes the boundaries of cost.. Mobile providers are forced to change their business model to accommodate the consumer. This has been seen in the telco market with broadband and related services. I will follow up on this with another post.


Google AdWords Academy - Advanced Session

No comment, nothing really advanced here. Two prepped adword sales reps with a bag of we don’t knows and no comments throw in. Dave asked some interesting questions in relation to the campaign optimiser that is in beta. I will let Dave follow up on his opinion about this.


Click Fraud

In my opinion this was by far the most interesting seminar of the day. Shuman Ghosemajumder from Google described the fundamentals of how fraudulent clicks are detected. The worrying thing that I noted was that after the basic automated metrics where applied, fraud detection was a very manual process. Anything that is classed as “advanced� is outside the jurisdiction of the algorithm.

I hogged the Q&A time with a question about how a multi domain, multi account scraper site could drive low quality clicks through the adsense content networks. In my opinion this could be done not to make money but to drive up costs for competitors in your space. The guys basically noted that this is where advanced manual methods would have to be used. The answer I was looking for was “well don’t use the content network�. This was avoided by answering “you need secondary means to prevent fraud�.

So in summary the event was good but could have been better.. I took home some nice tidbits of information as a whole. As I said before, the best part of the event was the attendees. I think this is always the case, Faces to names and all of that.

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10 Responses to “Search Marketing world in review”

  1. Ken Says:

    It was a rubbish conference. Aimed at marketing types but with very little of substance for them to chew on. It just seemed like a branding and PR exercise for those involved (IQ Content, Interactive Return, Cybercom, ICAN, etc). It seemed to me that Irish vested interests got Google to come along and talk about Search to a bunch of people that they hoped to net as clients.

    The ‘Development for Search Engines’ was particularly hilarious. I had to field two of the four questions at the end as the speakers were way out of their depth.

  2. David Says:

    Nice meeting you yesterday Jason, keep in touch.

  3. Richard Says:

    At least we all had a bit of a laugh chatting (apart from the stunned silence caused by sales online :) )

  4. Jason Roe Says:

    Very true! Our man Dave got very philosophical with some drinks into him. PS: we wont go into the “after party” saga that followed the conf! we ended up going for drinks in town!!

  5. Dave Davis Says:

    I cannot actually remember. All I recall is speaking to some guy who had his throat cut the previous night, in the corner of a dark dingy bar.

    And bear in mind, I had NO sleep the night before! I then had to go and play poker in my local! Care to share the saga because I certainly cannot remember!

  6. Jason Roe Says:

    It involved somone being pick pocketed .. the guy with the cut throat .. drunken horse racing fanatic giving us the inside tip about him proposing while barely able to stand. oh and our new found friends who mind our drinks!

    Im supprised you dont remember the convo!

  7. Dave Davis Says:

    Ahhhh, the proposal! And the southside lady with the northside accesnt.

    I get like that. One or two in me and I go off wandering talking to strangers. Thanks for the recap. :)

  8. Search Marketing World 2007, ShareIT Cork, and A Few Other Pieces of Irish SEO News | Search Engine Optimisation Ireland .:. Red Cardinal Says:

    [...] The conference itself was very well organised. I wont go into detail on the sessions as I bobbed and weaved quite a bit. Both Jason and Dave have excellent write-ups on the sessions they attended and their overall thoughts of the conference. The sessions that stood out for me personally were the “Search Facts and Figures in Ireland” session in the morning and the “Ad Agencies and Search” session that closed out the day. [...]

  9. Jennifer Farley Says:

    That was a great review, thanks. I was interested in going but due to financial restraints i.e. I’d have to pay for myself, I didn’t make it. It sounds like you guys meeting up was more valuable than the conference itself. All the best, Jennifer

  10. Jason Roe Says:

    Thanks Jennifer.

    PS: I love your site, nice clean crisp design!

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